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		<title>Bathroom remodel &#8211; tub and tile</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Testing out level of the tub with the stringer Note that I started this post in June. The bathroom remodel was done in July. Testing the floor tyle layout Testing the tyle laout 4 mil plastic sheeting behind cement board as vapor barrier Cement board hung Cement board goes up 66 inches from tub Chalking [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="attachment_2455" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 250px;"><a rel="attachment wp-att-2455" href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/2010/12/bathroom-remodel-tub-and-tile/img_24761/"><img class="size-medium wp-image-2455" title="IMG_24761" alt="Testing out level of the tub with the stringer" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/IMG_24761-250x166.jpg" /> </a>
<p class="wp-caption-text">Testing out level of the tub with the stringer</p>
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<p>
Note that I started this post in June. The bathroom remodel was done in July.
<div id="attachment_2464" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 250px;"><a rel="attachment wp-att-2464" href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/2010/12/bathroom-remodel-tub-and-tile/img_24831/"><img class="size-medium wp-image-2464" title="IMG_24831" alt="Testing the floor tyle layout" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/IMG_24831-250x166.jpg" /> </a>
<p class="wp-caption-text">Testing the floor tyle layout</p>
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<p>
<div id="attachment_2466" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 250px;"><a rel="attachment wp-att-2466" href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/2010/12/bathroom-remodel-tub-and-tile/img_24841/"><img class="size-medium wp-image-2466" title="IMG_24841" alt="Testing the tyle laout" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/IMG_24841-250x374.jpg" /> </a>
<p class="wp-caption-text">Testing the tyle laout</p>
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<p>
<div id="attachment_2465" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 250px;"><a rel="attachment wp-att-2465" href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/2010/12/bathroom-remodel-tub-and-tile/img_24911/"><img class="size-medium wp-image-2465" title="IMG_24911" alt="4 mil plastic sheeting behind cement board as vapor barrier" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/IMG_24911-250x166.jpg" /> </a>
<p class="wp-caption-text">4 mil plastic sheeting behind cement board as vapor barrier</p>
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<p>
<div id="attachment_2461" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 250px;"><a rel="attachment wp-att-2461" href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/2010/12/bathroom-remodel-tub-and-tile/img_24941/"><img class="size-medium wp-image-2461" title="IMG_24941" alt="Cement board hung" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/IMG_24941-250x166.jpg" /> </a>
<p class="wp-caption-text">Cement board hung</p>
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<p>
<div id="attachment_2454" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 250px;"><a rel="attachment wp-att-2454" href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/2010/12/bathroom-remodel-tub-and-tile/img_24961/"><img class="size-medium wp-image-2454" title="IMG_24961" alt="Cement board goes up 66 inches from tub" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/IMG_24961-250x166.jpg" /> </a>
<p class="wp-caption-text">Cement board goes up 66 inches from tub</p>
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<p>
<div id="attachment_2458" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 250px;"><a rel="attachment wp-att-2458" href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/2010/12/bathroom-remodel-tub-and-tile/img_24971/"><img class="size-medium wp-image-2458" title="IMG_24971" alt="Chalking lines for floor tile" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/IMG_24971-250x166.jpg" /> </a>
<p class="wp-caption-text">Chalking lines for floor tile</p>
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<p>
<div id="attachment_2463" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 250px;"><a rel="attachment wp-att-2463" href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/2010/12/bathroom-remodel-tub-and-tile/img_24981/"><img class="size-medium wp-image-2463" title="IMG_24981" alt="Cement board on walls" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/IMG_24981-250x166.jpg" /> </a>
<p class="wp-caption-text">Cement board on walls</p>
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<p>
<div id="attachment_2462" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 250px;"><a rel="attachment wp-att-2462" href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/2010/12/bathroom-remodel-tub-and-tile/img_25011/"><img class="size-medium wp-image-2462" title="IMG_25011" alt="New toilet supply line" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/IMG_25011-250x166.jpg" /> </a>
<p class="wp-caption-text">New toilet supply line</p>
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<p>
<div id="attachment_2456" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 250px;"><a rel="attachment wp-att-2456" href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/2010/12/bathroom-remodel-tub-and-tile/img_25071/"><img class="size-medium wp-image-2456" title="IMG_25071" alt="Floor tile installed and grouted" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/IMG_25071-250x166.jpg" /> </a>
<p class="wp-caption-text">Floor tile installed and grouted</p>
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<p>
<div id="attachment_2460" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 250px;"><a rel="attachment wp-att-2460" href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/2010/12/bathroom-remodel-tub-and-tile/img_25111/"><img class="size-medium wp-image-2460" title="IMG_25111" alt="Testing cement board and plywood fit for vanity counter top" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/IMG_25111-250x166.jpg" /> </a>
<p class="wp-caption-text">Testing cement board and plywood fit for vanity counter top</p>
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<p>
<div id="attachment_2457" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 250px;"><a rel="attachment wp-att-2457" href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/2010/12/bathroom-remodel-tub-and-tile/img_25121/"><img class="size-medium wp-image-2457" title="IMG_25121" alt="Sarasota espresso vanity installed off center" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/IMG_25121-250x166.jpg" /> </a>
<p class="wp-caption-text">Sarasota espresso vanity installed off center</p>
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<p>
<div id="attachment_2467" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 250px;"><a rel="attachment wp-att-2467" href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/2010/12/bathroom-remodel-tub-and-tile/img_25131/"><img class="size-medium wp-image-2467" title="IMG_25131" alt="Installing plywood onto vanity" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/IMG_25131-250x166.jpg" /> </a>
<p class="wp-caption-text">Installing plywood onto vanity</p>
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<p>
<div id="attachment_2459" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 250px;"><a rel="attachment wp-att-2459" href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/2010/12/bathroom-remodel-tub-and-tile/img_25291/"><img class="size-medium wp-image-2459" title="IMG_25291" alt="Counter top tile installed" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/IMG_25291-250x166.jpg" /> </a>
<p class="wp-caption-text">Counter top tile installed</p>
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<p>
<div id="attachment_2468" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 250px;"><a rel="attachment wp-att-2468" href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/2010/12/bathroom-remodel-tub-and-tile/img_25301/"><img class="size-medium wp-image-2468" title="IMG_25301" alt="Tiny shims from Dave and Ellen hold up backsplash" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/IMG_25301-250x166.jpg" /> </a>
<p class="wp-caption-text">Tiny shims from Dave and Ellen hold up backsplash</p>
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<p>
<div id="attachment_2469" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 250px;"><a rel="attachment wp-att-2469" href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/2010/12/bathroom-remodel-tub-and-tile/img_25311/"><img class="size-medium wp-image-2469" title="IMG_25311" alt="Boxes drawn on walls and tile installation begun" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/IMG_25311-250x166.jpg" /> </a>
<p class="wp-caption-text">Boxes drawn on walls and tile installation begun</p>
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<p>
<div id="attachment_2471" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 250px;"><a rel="attachment wp-att-2471" href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/2010/12/bathroom-remodel-tub-and-tile/img_25331/"><img class="size-medium wp-image-2471" title="IMG_25331" alt="Tile progress" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/IMG_25331-250x166.jpg" /> </a>
<p class="wp-caption-text">Tile progress</p>
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<p>
<div id="attachment_2480" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 250px;"><a rel="attachment wp-att-2480" href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/2010/12/bathroom-remodel-tub-and-tile/img_25361/"><img class="size-medium wp-image-2480" title="IMG_25361" alt="Tricky cuts around plumbing fixtures" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/IMG_25361-250x166.jpg" /> </a>
<p class="wp-caption-text">Tricky cuts around plumbing fixtures</p>
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<p>
<div id="attachment_2474" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 250px;"><a rel="attachment wp-att-2474" href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/2010/12/bathroom-remodel-tub-and-tile/img_25371/"><img class="size-medium wp-image-2474" title="IMG_25371" alt="Tiling the niche" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/IMG_25371-250x166.jpg" /> </a>
<p class="wp-caption-text">Tiling the niche</p>
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<p>
<div id="attachment_2479" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 250px;"><a rel="attachment wp-att-2479" href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/2010/12/bathroom-remodel-tub-and-tile/img_25381/"><img class="size-medium wp-image-2479" title="IMG_25381" alt="Tiling underneath the countertop" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/IMG_25381-250x374.jpg" /> </a>
<p class="wp-caption-text">Tiling underneath the countertop</p>
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<p>
<div id="attachment_2472" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 250px;"><a rel="attachment wp-att-2472" href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/2010/12/bathroom-remodel-tub-and-tile/img_25641/"><img class="size-medium wp-image-2472" title="IMG_25641" alt="Bathtub tile complete" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/IMG_25641-250x166.jpg" /> </a>
<p class="wp-caption-text">Bathtub tile complete</p>
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<p>
<div id="attachment_2476" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 250px;"><a rel="attachment wp-att-2476" href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/2010/12/bathroom-remodel-tub-and-tile/img_25701/"><img class="size-medium wp-image-2476" title="IMG_25701" alt="Wall behind toilet grouted" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/IMG_25701-250x166.jpg" /> </a>
<p class="wp-caption-text">Wall behind toilet grouted</p>
</div>
<p>
<div id="attachment_2477" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 250px;"><a rel="attachment wp-att-2477" href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/2010/12/bathroom-remodel-tub-and-tile/img_25721/"><img class="size-medium wp-image-2477" title="IMG_25721" alt="Hole for toilet supply line" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/IMG_25721-250x166.jpg" /> </a>
<p class="wp-caption-text">Hole for toilet supply line</p>
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<p>
<div id="attachment_2482" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 250px;"><a rel="attachment wp-att-2482" href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/2010/12/bathroom-remodel-tub-and-tile/img_25731/"><img class="size-medium wp-image-2482" title="IMG_25731" alt="Tricky cut around fan switch" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/IMG_25731-250x166.jpg" /> </a>
<p class="wp-caption-text">Tricky cut around fan switch</p>
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<p>
<div id="attachment_2473" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 250px;"><a rel="attachment wp-att-2473" href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/2010/12/bathroom-remodel-tub-and-tile/img_25741/"><img class="size-medium wp-image-2473" title="IMG_25741" alt="Hole for showerhead made with rotozip" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/IMG_25741-250x166.jpg" /> </a>
<p class="wp-caption-text">Hole for showerhead made with rotozip</p>
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<p>
<div id="attachment_2478" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 250px;"><a rel="attachment wp-att-2478" href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/2010/12/bathroom-remodel-tub-and-tile/img_25761/"><img class="size-medium wp-image-2478" title="IMG_25761" alt="Decorative pattern up close" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/IMG_25761-250x166.jpg" /> </a>
<p class="wp-caption-text">Decorative pattern up close</p>
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<p>
<div id="attachment_2475" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 250px;"><a rel="attachment wp-att-2475" href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/2010/12/bathroom-remodel-tub-and-tile/img_25771/"><img class="size-medium wp-image-2475" title="IMG_25771" alt="Niche up close" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/IMG_25771-250x374.jpg" /> </a>
<p class="wp-caption-text">Niche up close</p>
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<p>
<div id="attachment_2481" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 250px;"><a rel="attachment wp-att-2481" href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/2010/12/bathroom-remodel-tub-and-tile/img_25781/"><img class="size-medium wp-image-2481" title="IMG_25781" alt="Small gap for caulk around tub" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/IMG_25781-250x166.jpg" /> </a>
<p class="wp-caption-text">Small gap for caulk around tub</p>
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<p>
<div id="attachment_2470" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 250px;"><a rel="attachment wp-att-2470" href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/2010/12/bathroom-remodel-tub-and-tile/img_25791/"><img class="size-medium wp-image-2470" title="IMG_25791" alt="Tricky cut around outside of tub" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/IMG_25791-250x166.jpg" /> </a>
<p class="wp-caption-text">Tricky cut around outside of tub</p>
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<p>I spent much of May working on the bathroom remodel. I took pictures along the way, but I was too busy working to post them. The project is nearly done now, and I have a bit more time to post what I did.</p>
<p>Once all the demolition work was done, and the plumbing was roughed in, the next thing I did was install the bath tub. This was one part of the project I hadn&#8217;t done before. It turned out to be not too bad, though tricky in some parts. Our bathroom is exactly 60&#8243; wide between studs, meaning that it is only 59&#8243; between the walls when they have drywall on them. The tub I got is a Crane 60&#8243; by 30&#8243; porcelain coated steel tub. So it fits just right between the studs, but it was tricky to get into place. The particularly tricky part was getting the 2&#215;4 stringer at the right height, and getting the tub level. I did this by screwing in a 2&#215;4 to the studs with one screw, then sliding the tub into place, and testing the level. I did this three or four times until I was satisfied with the level of the tub, and then screwed the stringer in with a few more screws. Sliding the tub back and forth was hard, because I ended up having to cut off some of the door frame and a bit more drywall in order to slide the tub far enough out so that I could screw into the stringer board.</p>
<p>Once I had the tub in place, I then worked on installing the drain assembly. I ended up using most of the old assembly, though I had to extend the bottom part just a bit. I used plumbers putty underneath the rim of the drain. I read that plumbers putty is good for porcelain, and silicone is good for acrylic, so I followed that advice. When I turned the water on and checked for leaks, it was leaking a bit. So I took it back out, added more plumbers putty, and screwed it in further, and that fixed the problem. Getting the overflow stop adjusted was tricky as usual. It still sticks a bit sometimes when trying to lift it up to keep the water in, but after several hours playing with it, I decided it is ok. I got brushed nickel drain trim and overflow trim to match the brushed nickel finish on the new bathtub faucet.</p>
<p>After the tub installation was all set, then I could put down the cement board for the floor tile. I used 1/2&#8243; thick hardiebacker, which is what I have used in the past. I used sheets that are 60&#8243; by 36&#8243;. They went down very easily, except for the fact that there were a few places where a stud was sticking out just a tiny bit, so that the opening was a little less than 60&#8243;. I used the reciprocating saw to cut those back a little bit.</p>
<p>While I do think that cement board is a great underlayment for tile, I also think it is a royal pain to cut. The last time I did it, I just scored it with a utility knife. This time I bought a special scoring tool, which helped a little bit, but I find that using the scoring method, I have to score both sides about 10-20 times before the sheet really wants to snap. I had a breakthrough with this project in terms of cutting cement board. Spencer and I went to Lowe&#8217;s about 2-3 times per week during April and May. Part of the frequency lay in the fact that I would not always know what I needed, so I would buy a few different things, and then return ones I didn&#8217;t use. Another part of the frequency lay in the fact that Spencer will only tolerate shopping for a certain amount of time. We were frequently lucky and got the racing car cart, which made the trip nicer, but even then, he doesn&#8217;t like it when we don&#8217;t move much, so it is hard to stay in one place and make good purchasing decisions. An advantage of our frequent visits was that I got some good clearance deals, including a rotozip. They had a tile accessory kit on clearance for about $50 instead of $150, which included a floor tile bit, which is a $40 bit in itself. The rest of the kit included a handy little table to clamp down tiles while cutting them, and a rotozip tool. Had Spencer been more patient with me, I would have realized that the kit included the tool. I didn&#8217;t though, so I ended up buying a slightly nicer model rotozip, and then gave the basic one to Ellen, since I didn&#8217;t realize the kit came with one until after I had already used it. The fancier one I got also included a cutting wheel attachment, which I have yet to use. In retrospect, I realized that I could have used it to cut cement board. Instead, I used the wall tile bit to cut cement board. The floor tile bit will also cut cement board, but I didn&#8217;t want to use it up cutting cement board. As it was, I went through two wall tile bits, and I broke the floor tile bit because I didn&#8217;t read the instructions. (You have to move the tool up and down while you are cutting with the floor tile bit.)</p>
<p>Once I got the rotozip, cutting cement board became a breeze. I got the cement board down on the floor relatively easily, securing it with thinset mortar, hardibacker screws around the edges, and 1 1/2&#8243; galvanized roofing nails in the middle of the panels. While screwing in the hardibacker screws, my Black and Decker cordless screwdriver (wedding present from Jean and John Wolfe) started slipping. It wouldn&#8217;t fully countersink the screws, which is crucial to get a flat surface. Luckily I also have a Craftsman corded drill which Sean Gallagher bought me a couple years ago, which did the trick just fine. </p>
<p>After I got the cement board down on the floor, I then worked on getting the cement board up on the walls. It probably wasn&#8217;t totally necessary, but I took down all they drywall half way up the wall, and replaced it with cement board. I probably could have just used cement board around the tub, but I decided it would be better to do it all the way around, just to be sure. I also wasn&#8217;t sure how well the tile would stick to the drywall, since the walls are textured. I did run in to one snag while putting up the cement board behind the toilet. In order to do so, I had to take the escutcheon of the toilet supply pipe off, and I ended up having to take off the whole valve to do that. When I went to put a new valve back on, I had to cut off a bit off the pipe to get the old compression ring off. By the time I had gotten the compression ring off, I had cut off enough pipe that I started to run into the part of the pipe which was bent, and therefore not completely round, so the compression fitting was leaking slightly. I ended up hiring <a href='http://www.servicemagic.com/rated.CollyPlumbing.14118250.html'>Dave Colly</a>, a plumber who lives down the street to fix it. He put on an elbow joint, and then capped it off, leaving me plenty of extra pipe to put the new valve on (and he gave me quarter turn valves). He got it all done in about an hour, and charged me a very reasonable price. </p>
<p>Around the tub, I put up 4 mil plastic sheeting behind the cement board as a moisture barrier, which is recommended by most people. After being done with the tile, I realized that I probably should have put some furring strips on the studs behind the cement board, because they were not totally level. So the walls around the tub bow in a bit in the middle. It is not super noticeable, unless you know to look for it. </p>
<p>Once I had all the cement board done, I tiled the floor. We decided on a reddish porcelain tile for the floor, called <a href='http://www.lowes.com/pd_160017-34692-G3TG16_0_?productId=1038373&#038;Ntt=porcelain%20tile&#038;Ntk=i_products&#038;pl=1&#038;currentURL=/pl__0__s?newSearch=true$Ntt=porcelain%20tile$y=0$x=0'>Rialto Terra</a> from Lowe&#8217;s. We had gotten some decorative pieces on clearance, so we used those in the design. I ended up alternating rows of 12&#215;12 tile with 4&#215;4 tile, which I think ended up having a very nice effect. </p>
<p>Once I had the floor tile down I installed the vanity. We searched long and hard for a vanity. I really wanted one that had top drawers which actually opened, which is quite rare it seems. Most of the vanities have fake drawers on the top. The only one we could find was an Allen Roth Sarasota Espresso cabinet. It is darker than we would have chosen otherwise, but it is working out ok. We had a bunch of stuff delivered from Lowe&#8217;s, since we don&#8217;t have a pickup truck, but I didn&#8217;t have the vanity delivered, because I was still thinking we might change our mind. Once we had settled on the Espresso vanity, I needed some help picking it up, since I needed two people to go the store, and one person to watch Spencer. Our friend Mekayla came through like a champ. We took her Mazda 3 to the store, and were surprised when we found out that it would not fit in the hatch back, even though we had measured it beforehand. What we had not counted on was the box. So we ended up taking the vanity out of the box in the parking lot, and then it fit. I debated putting the vanity in first, and then the floor tile, tiling up only to the vanity, but I eventually decided to tile the whole floor. Part of my decision for this was based on the fact that when I replaced the kitchen cabinets, I was left with about a 1/2 inch gap between the new cabinets and the laminate flooring. So if someone else decided they want to replace the vanity, but keep the floor tile, they shouldn&#8217;t have that problem. </p>
<p>The old vanity was 48 inches wide, and centered along the wall, leaving about 5 1/2 inches of space to either side of it, which is virtually unusable. We decided to put the new 48&#8243; vanity off center, leaving only about 1/2 inch on one side and about 10 inches on the other. Since I was making the counter top myself with tile, I was able to make the counter top span the whole width of the wall. So now we have some extra space under the counter to put a trash can. </p>
<p>As I have learned from some other projects, the order in which you do things can make a big difference. I wanted to put the vanity and counter top in before tiling the walls, because I wanted to keep the horizontal grout lines consistent through out the bathroom, based on the counter top backsplash, and it is very difficult to guess what the final height of the backsplash would be. As it turns out, the vanity ended up being a bit higher than I had expected, leaving only about 2 inches between the counter top and the gfci outlet. I had thought the backsplash would totally fit underneath it, but that would have been a very short backsplash. You don&#8217;t want to have the tile come up halfway of an outlet, because then the outlet cover won&#8217;t be on an even surface. So I ended up making the backsplash 12 inches high, to come up above all the outlets and switches. </p>
<p>Once I had the backsplash done, I could start working on the rest of the tile on the walls. Most of it was pretty straightforward. One thing I did to ensure even grout lines was to use to use a level and tape measure to draw boxes on the walls, just like I did for the floor. I re-used a little trick we learned from a display at Lowe&#8217;s to make a fancy row, by cutting 4&#215;4 tiles diagonally, and then putting 4&#215;4 tiles inside them. This is quite easy, cheap, and looks nice. I used some trim tiles that match the ones on the floor. </p>
<p>Probably the hardest part of the tiling job was the niche. It seems like there is never enough space for shampoo bottles and soap and such in the bathtub/shower, so I decided to put in a niche, which fits in between the wall studs. I ended up buying a pre-made from <a href='http://www.noblecompany.com/Products/ShowerProducts/tabid/59/Default.aspx'>Noble</a>. It is basically like styrofoam. I secured it in place with silicone sealant. My only complaint about the niche is that it wasn&#8217;t quite flush with the cement board. Now, this could have been faulty installation on my part. It stuck out about an 1/8-1/4 inch, which isn&#8217;t that much, but once I started doing the tile around it, I discovered that it created a huge problem. I originally thought I would simply cut tiles to go half on the cement board and half on the niche, but this 1/8&#8243; bump meant that the tiles were very uneven. What I ended up doing is cutting the tile to stay just on the cement board, then cutting pieces to go just on the niche. I had some leftover tile from the floor, so used this on the niche, which ended up creating a very nice framed effect. Doing it this way meant that my bump would now be covered up by grout. Now that we have had time to use the tub some, I would have put in a second niche, because we still don&#8217;t have enough room for all our shower accessories! It took me about 4 hours just to tile the niche though, so another one would have added a lot more time. </p>
<p>Besides the niche, there were some other tricky cuts as well. I ended up having to make holes in the middle of a tile several times. To do this, I bought a Rotozip with a floor tile bit, which worked pretty well. I also made sure to leave just a very small gap (1/16-1/8 inch) for caulk between the tub and the tile. </p>
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		<title>Bathroom remodel &#8211; demolition and plumbing</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Apr 2010 20:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>robfelty</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Old vanity with man-made counter top Old acrylic tub Working on removing the tub surround Tub surround totally out Old lights and medicine cabinet Tub surround partially out Messy work area Tub surround out Sink supply lines seem a bit corroded, but I think they should be ok Leftover linoleum tile underneath the cement board [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="attachment_2358" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 250px;"><a rel="attachment wp-att-2358" href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/2010/04/bathroom-remodel-demolition-and-plumbing/img_22673/"><img class="size-medium wp-image-2358" title="IMG_22673" alt="Old vanity with man-made counter top" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/IMG_22673-250x166.jpg" /> </a>
<p class="wp-caption-text">Old vanity with man-made counter top</p>
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<div id="attachment_2359" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 250px;"><a rel="attachment wp-att-2359" href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/2010/04/bathroom-remodel-demolition-and-plumbing/img_22653/"><img class="size-medium wp-image-2359" title="IMG_22653" alt="Old acrylic tub" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/IMG_22653-250x166.jpg" /> </a>
<p class="wp-caption-text">Old acrylic tub</p>
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<p>
<div id="attachment_2360" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 250px;"><a rel="attachment wp-att-2360" href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/2010/04/bathroom-remodel-demolition-and-plumbing/img_22663/"><img class="size-medium wp-image-2360" title="IMG_22663" alt="Working on removing the tub surround" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/IMG_22663-250x166.jpg" /> </a>
<p class="wp-caption-text">Working on removing the tub surround</p>
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<div id="attachment_2361" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 250px;"><a rel="attachment wp-att-2361" href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/2010/04/bathroom-remodel-demolition-and-plumbing/img_22753/"><img class="size-medium wp-image-2361" title="IMG_22753" alt="Tub surround totally out" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/IMG_22753-250x374.jpg" /> </a>
<p class="wp-caption-text">Tub surround totally out</p>
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<div id="attachment_2375" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 250px;"><a href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/2010/04/bathroom-remodel-demolition-and-plumbing/img_2284-2/" rel="attachment wp-att-2375"><img src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/IMG_22843-250x166.jpg" alt="Old lights and medicine cabinet" title="IMG_2284" width="250" height="166" class="size-medium wp-image-2375" /></a>
<p class='wp-caption-text'>Old lights and medicine cabinet</p>
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<div id="attachment_2362" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 250px;"><a rel="attachment wp-att-2362" href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/2010/04/bathroom-remodel-demolition-and-plumbing/img_22703/"><img class="size-medium wp-image-2362" title="IMG_22703" alt="Tub surround partially out" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/IMG_22703-250x166.jpg" /> </a>
<p class="wp-caption-text">Tub surround partially out</p>
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<div id="attachment_2363" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 250px;"><a rel="attachment wp-att-2363" href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/2010/04/bathroom-remodel-demolition-and-plumbing/img_22783/"><img class="size-medium wp-image-2363" title="IMG_22783" alt="Messy work area" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/IMG_22783-250x166.jpg" /> </a>
<p class="wp-caption-text">Messy work area</p>
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<div id="attachment_2364" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 250px;"><a rel="attachment wp-att-2364" href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/2010/04/bathroom-remodel-demolition-and-plumbing/img_22863/"><img class="size-medium wp-image-2364" title="IMG_22863" alt="Tub surround out" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/IMG_22863-250x166.jpg" /> </a>
<p class="wp-caption-text">Tub surround out</p>
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<div id="attachment_2365" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 250px;"><a rel="attachment wp-att-2365" href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/2010/04/bathroom-remodel-demolition-and-plumbing/img_22813/"><img class="size-medium wp-image-2365" title="IMG_22813" alt="Sink supply lines seem a bit corroded, but I think they should be ok" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/IMG_22813-250x166.jpg" /> </a>
<p class="wp-caption-text">Sink supply lines seem a bit corroded, but I think they should be ok</p>
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<div id="attachment_2366" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 250px;"><a rel="attachment wp-att-2366" href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/2010/04/bathroom-remodel-demolition-and-plumbing/img_22893/"><img class="size-medium wp-image-2366" title="IMG_22893" alt="Leftover linoleum tile underneath the cement board" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/IMG_22893-250x166.jpg" /> </a>
<p class="wp-caption-text">Leftover linoleum tile underneath the cement board</p>
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<div id="attachment_2367" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 250px;"><a rel="attachment wp-att-2367" href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/2010/04/bathroom-remodel-demolition-and-plumbing/img_22943/"><img class="size-medium wp-image-2367" title="IMG_22943" alt="water damaged plywood" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/IMG_22943-250x166.jpg" /> </a>
<p class="wp-caption-text">water damaged plywood</p>
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<div id="attachment_2368" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 250px;"><a rel="attachment wp-att-2368" href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/2010/04/bathroom-remodel-demolition-and-plumbing/img_24643/"><img class="size-medium wp-image-2368" title="ready for new tub" alt="ready for new tub" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/IMG_24643-250x166.jpg" /> </a>
<p class="wp-caption-text">ready for new tub</p>
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<div id="attachment_2369" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 250px;"><a rel="attachment wp-att-2369" href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/2010/04/bathroom-remodel-demolition-and-plumbing/img_24613/"><img class="size-medium wp-image-2369" title="IMG_24613" alt="Plumbing done and subfloor repaired" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/IMG_24613-250x166.jpg" /> </a>
<p class="wp-caption-text">Plumbing done and subfloor repaired</p>
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<div id="attachment_2370" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 250px;"><a rel="attachment wp-att-2370" href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/2010/04/bathroom-remodel-demolition-and-plumbing/img_22913/"><img class="size-medium wp-image-2370" title="IMG_22913" alt="water damage in plywood near the tub" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/IMG_22913-250x166.jpg" /> </a>
<p class="wp-caption-text">water damage in plywood near the tub</p>
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<div id="attachment_2371" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 250px;"><a rel="attachment wp-att-2371" href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/2010/04/bathroom-remodel-demolition-and-plumbing/img_24683/"><img class="size-medium wp-image-2371" title="IMG_24683" alt="New Delta universal rough fixture" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/IMG_24683-250x166.jpg" /> </a>
<p class="wp-caption-text">New Delta universal rough fixture</p>
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<p class="wp-caption-text">Going to reuse the old tub drain assembly</p>
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<div id="attachment_2373" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 250px;"><a rel="attachment wp-att-2373" href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/2010/04/bathroom-remodel-demolition-and-plumbing/img_24743/"><img class="size-medium wp-image-2373" title="IMG_24743" alt="Close-up of Delta universal rough fixture" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/IMG_24743-250x166.jpg" /> </a>
<p class="wp-caption-text">Close-up of Delta universal rough fixture</p>
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<div id="attachment_2374" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 250px;"><a rel="attachment wp-att-2374" href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/2010/04/bathroom-remodel-demolition-and-plumbing/img_24693/"><img class="size-medium wp-image-2374" title="IMG_24693" alt="Complete plumbing picture" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/IMG_24693-250x374.jpg" /> </a>
<p class="wp-caption-text">Complete plumbing picture</p>
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<p> I finally started remodeling our main bathroom several weeks ago. The first stage was demolition. Unfortunately, I forgot to take many before pictures, but that is life. I started off by removing the toilet. I got as much water out of it as possible through flushing, bucket, and towel. I took off the tank, and it is now downstairs. We like the toilet, so we will reuse it.</p>
<p>The next step was to remove the vanity, which was pretty straight forward. I took out the screws securing it to the wall, and disconnected the plumbing. There was one or two screws which were completely stripped, which I ended up cutting with my saws-all. Clare was kind enough to help me carry the vanity downstairs as well. I&#8217;m thinking of making it into a play bathroom for Spencer, since he really loves opening drawers and cabinets. So it is now filled with harmless everyday objects like cookie tins and egg cartons. I thought of filling it with toys, but it frequently seems that Spencer wants to play with &#8220;adult&#8221; stuff, not toys.</p>
<p>Once the vanity and toilet were removed, I was able to get most of the floor tile off. I pounded on the tile with an engineer&#8217;s hammer to break up the tiles. They came off fairly easy &#8211; much more easily than the floor tiles in the Spencer bathroom. It seems like there was not really much mortar on the tiles, so they probably weren&#8217;t installed very well. </p>
<p>I used a hammer and chisel and a pry bar to get off the tile around the tub surround. That was quite a bit of work, but it wasn&#8217;t too bad. I wasn&#8217;t exactly sure how it was attached. It turns out that it is attached to the walls with screws. I used an engineer hammer to get the tiles out, which worked really well. The added weight (compared to a claw hammer) really makes it more powerful. Once I got all the tiles off and removed the screws, I simply yanked on the surround to get it unstuck. I then did the same for the tub, and Clare helped me carry the tub out. It is currently in our yard. Last year our city had a throw away big stuff for free day. I&#8217;m hoping they do that again this year. </p>
<p>Once the tub was out, I could start removing the cement board. I considered trying to reuse it, but I didn&#8217;t think I would be able to get all the old mortar off it. I used the hammer and pry bar to get it up, and then had to remove the screws holding it down. It did not have any mortar between the cement board and the plywood, as I have been told to do. This is more evidence of shoddy construction, but it did make it easier to remove. Once I got the cement board up, I discovered some old linoleum tile underneath it. I worked a fair amount to get more of the tile off. I got all of the top layer off everywhere, but did end up leaving a bit of the adhesive layer in some parts. </p>
<p>After getting the cement board up and the tub out, I realized that part of the subfloor was rotten. This was not too much of a surprise, since we had noticed some leaks when we moved in. I had bought some extra plywood just in case this might happen. As it turns out, there was only a fairly small section which was rotten, and I was able to use a scrap piece of plywood to fix it. I cut a piece large enough so that I could screw it into three floor joists, to make sure it was plenty secure. The floor joists themselves seem to be in good condition.</p>
<p>The next step was to install the new fixture for the bath. We ended up going with a <a href='http://www.deltafaucet.com/bath/details/174902-SS.html'>Delta Lewison</a>. I really like how some of the Delta faucets have separate temperature and volume controls. We also had pretty good experience with Delta back in Indiana. I thought that the plumbing wouldn&#8217;t be too hard, since I already had some experience, but I was wrong. I guess maybe the third time it gets easier. I bought the couplings, elbows and connectors I needed, and decided to try to do some of the sweating before cutting off the old fixture. I think I have learned that this is not really worth it. I learned several more things from this experience:</p>
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<li>Solder can get old. The 30+ year old solder I had from the Spencer house did not melt very easily. New solder helped a bunch</li>
<li> Solder both ends of a coupling at the same time. I tried soldering just one end, and some extra solder dripped down the coupling, make the other end unusable</li>
<li>Dry fit first before applying any solder paste. I accidentally used one 7&#8243; piece and one 6&#8243; piece of pipe, when I had been intending to use two 7&#8243; pieces</li>
<li>Tighten any threaded joints with two wrenches. I initially used only one wrench, holding on to the mixing valve with the other hand. It ended up leaking, and I had to redo the whole thing</li>
</ol>
<p>It took a bit longer than expected, but I did finally get the plumbing all done. I raised the level of the shower head by about 6&#8243;, so that it should be a bit nicer for tall people to shower. </p>
<p>The next step is to get the tub in and the floor tile.</p>
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		<title>New kitchen cabinets, part two</title>
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		<dc:creator>robfelty</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Taking out the old old counter top and cabinets by the sink Once I had the cabinets assembled and installed on the side of the kitchen opposite the sink, I was ready to tackle the sink side. This meant we would be without a sink for awhile, which meant we couldn&#8217;t cook very much. Per [...]]]></description>
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<div class="imagecaption">Taking out the old old counter top and cabinets by the sink</div>
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<p>Once I had the cabinets assembled and installed on the side of the kitchen opposite the sink, I was ready to tackle the sink side. This meant we would be without a sink for awhile, which meant we couldn&#8217;t cook very much. Per Clare&#8217;s suggestion, I tried to cook up a bunch of leftovers beforehand, but since the project took almost twice as long as I had planned, we ended up eating out quite a bit anyways. </p>
<div class="imageframe alignleft" style="width:250px;"><a href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/img_8354.jpg" title="Lots of mice poop under the old cabinets"><img src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/img_8354-250x166.jpg" alt="Lots of mice poop under the old cabinets" width="250" height="166" class="attachment wp-att-516" /></a>
<div class="imagecaption">Lots of mice poop under the old cabinets</div>
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<p>The first step was to remove the old kitchen cabinets. I started by disconnecting all the plumbing and shutting off the water to the sink. Then I removed the sink. This involved cutting the silicone with a utility knife, and gradually prying the sink out with a pry bar and a chisel. Then I moved out the dishwasher. Then I began removing the counter top. The counter top was attached with screws from underneath, so I took out all those screws with my handy cordless drill. Once all the screws were out, I used the reciprocating saw to cut the counter top into several pieces. I had to yank the counter top off a bit, since it was also stuck to the wall a bit with some caulk.<br />
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<div class="imageframe alignleft" style="width:250px;"><a href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/img_8357.jpg" title="Dirt under the sink cabinet"><img src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/img_8357-250x166.jpg" alt="Dirt under the sink cabinet" width="250" height="166" class="attachment wp-att-518" /></a>
<div class="imagecaption">Dirt under the sink cabinet</div>
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<p>Once I had the counter top off, I began removing the cabinets, which were screwed into the studs. They came out rather easily. As I removed each cabinet, I found the floor underneath to be extremely dirty, and littered with mouse poop. We knew that there had been some mouse issues since the house was vacant for a year since we bought it. We haven&#8217;t seen any since we moved in though. At this point I also noticed the extent of the leaking from the sink. There was some sort of makeshift plywood being used for the bottom of the sink cabinet. When I took it out, the plies were completely separated since they had gotten so wet!</p>
<div class="imageframe alignleft" style="width:250px;"><a href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/img_8358.jpg" title="The plywood base of the sink cabinet had gotten so wet from plumbing leaks that the plies were completely separated."><img src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/img_8358-250x166.jpg" alt="The plywood base of the sink cabinet had gotten so wet from plumbing leaks that the plies were completely separated." width="250" height="166" class="attachment wp-att-519" /></a>
<div class="imagecaption">Separated plywood</div>
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<p>Once I had all the cabinets out and had swept up all the mouse poop and dirt, then I began to ponder all the extra drain pipes. There was this large black drain pipe underneath the sink, and it wasn&#8217;t clear what it was for. Ellen thought it was for the dishwasher, which was possible, though it didn&#8217;t quite make sense, since when we hooked up the new dishwasher we attached the drain to the garbage disposal. Clare thought it might be a vent, which would also be odd, since the vent <em>should</em> go to the outside. </p>
<div class="imageframe alignleft" style="width:250px;"><a href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/img_8351.jpg" title="Mystery black pipe on the right"><img src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/img_8351-250x166.jpg" alt="Mystery black pipe on the right" width="250" height="166" class="attachment wp-att-514" /></a>
<div class="imagecaption">Mystery black pipe on the right</div>
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<p>At this point I decided to wait on the drain mystery for awhile, and work some more on assembling the cabinets. The corner cabinet with the lazy susan was quite difficult to assemble. Most of the cabinets came with instructions that had both text and pictures, but the corner cabinet instructions had only pictures. It came with quite a few different kinds of screws, and there was no indication on the directions which screws went where, or when I should screw things in. In particular, the shelves were screwed in, which was different from all the other cabinets, where the bottom was attached with cams, and the shelves simply rest on small pegs. </p>
<div class="imageframe alignleft" style="width:250px;"><a href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/img_8353.jpg" title="Another mystery pipe and some damaged drywall"><img src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/img_8353-250x166.jpg" alt="Another mystery pipe and some damaged drywall" width="250" height="166" class="attachment wp-att-515" /></a>
<div class="imagecaption">Another mystery pipe and some damaged drywall</div>
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<div class="imageframe alignleft" style="width:250px;"><a href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/img_8360.jpg" title="The corner cabinet got a bit damaged in shipping"><img src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/img_8360-250x166.jpg" alt="The corner cabinet got a bit damaged in shipping" width="250" height="166" class="attachment wp-att-521" /></a>
<div class="imagecaption">The corner cabinet got a bit damaged in shipping</div>
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<p>The other difference with the corner cabinet was that it had gotten a bit damaged in shipping. I decided not to worry about it though, since I did not want to wait for a replacement to be shipped. I suppose I could have assembled all the cabinets to begin with, and then I would have discovered it early enough to get something shipped, but I didn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Perhaps the trickiest part of the corner cabinet was assembling the face frame. All the other face frames were totally assembled, but since the corner cabinet face frame makes an L, it came in two pieces so it could be shipped in a flat box. I used my clamp to hold the two pieces together while I attached them with screws. I ended up having to start over at least once because I didn&#8217;t get them flush. Then I had the mystery of attaching the doors. These doors have some very special hinges, and not very good instructions. I ended up taking out the old corner cabinet to look at it, which helped quite a bit. </p>
<div class="imageframe alignleft" style="width:250px;"><a href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/img_8359.jpg" title="I also used the clamps to put together the face frame of the corner lazy susan cabinet, which was most difficult to assemble"><img src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/img_8359-250x166.jpg" alt="I also used the clamps to put together the face frame of the corner lazy susan cabinet, which was most difficult to assemble" width="250" height="166" class="attachment wp-att-520" /></a>
<div class="imagecaption">I also used the clamps to put together the face frame of the corner lazy susan cabinet, which was most difficult to assemble</div>
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<p>We decided to buy the lazy susan for the corner cabinet, which I am fairly happy with, even though it does result in some wasted space. The lazy susan was different than I had expected. I had expected two shelves attached by a pole, which seems to be common. Instead, there were two separate lazy susans which get screwed directly into the shelves. I think this design is actually much sturdier, and allows the two lazy susans to turn separately. There was a hole pre-drilled in the top of the lazy susan. To install it, you turn the lazy susan until this hole lines up with one of the four holes in the base. Then you drop a screw in the hole and screw it in. Then you turn it 1/4 turn, and repeat. They are very secure, and they turn very nicely. </p>
<div class="imageframe alignleft" style="width:250px;"><a href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/img_8362.jpg" title="I thought the design for the lazy susan was clever. The base has 4 holes in it for screws. You turn the top until the one hole matches one of the 4, then secure it with a screw, then make a 1/4 turn and put in the next one"><img src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/img_8362-250x166.jpg" alt="Attaching the lazy susan" width="250" height="166" class="attachment wp-att-523" /></a>
<div class="imagecaption">Attaching the lazy susan</div>
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<div class="imageframe alignleft" style="width:250px;"><a href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/img_8361.jpg" title="The corner cabinet almost assembled, with one lazy susan in"><img src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/img_8361-250x166.jpg" alt="The corner cabinet almost assembled, with one lazy susan in" width="250" height="166" class="attachment wp-att-522" /></a>
<div class="imagecaption">The corner cabinet almost assembled, with one lazy susan in</div>
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<p>When Clare got home from work on Thursday, I asked her to help me do some troubleshooting. I went downstairs, and had Clare pour some water down the mystery pipe. I could hear it going down the drain pipe, so it seemed to be a drain. Then I also had her shake it a bit, and through this I discovered some additional drain pipe down stairs which had been cut off. It seems that there used to be some sort of make-shift bathroom down there. Finally we discovered that the mystery black pipe was connected to the drain pipe for the sink. Then the question was whether or not the two curved white pipes coming out of the floor were connected. The next day I looked up on the roof, and there was only one vent coming out. I also removed some drywall, and found that the drain for the sink (on the left) connected to the drain for downstairs (on the right), and that both were then vented through the same pipe. Mystery solved.</p>
<p>Now that I had torn out some of the drywall, I had to patch it. We had brought a few small pieces of drywall from Spencer for some other miscellaneous wall patching that we needed to do, but it wasn&#8217;t big enough. Once again, Dave and Ellen had the perfect solution &#8212; go to Lowe&#8217;s, buy a sheet of drywall, then cut it in the parking lot so it would fit into my car. Friday turned out to be a very nice day &mdash; about 50 degrees and sunny. I brought my tape measure, chalk line, and utility knife and went off to Lowe&#8217;s. While I was there I also picked up a few other things, including some great stuff. When I got home I began patching the drywall, which for me always requires lots of cutting of 1/4&#8243; to 1/2&#8243; pieces of drywall until it fits nicely. So that took a couple hours. After mudding and taping, I squirted some great stuff around the pipes to better seal them off. I also put some great stuff around the vent pipes for the furnace in the basement, which had some pretty big gaps. That stuff really is great.</p>
<div class="imageframe alignleft" style="width:250px;"><a href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/img_8364.jpg" title="Old cabinets out, Floor cleaned up, drain mysteries solved, and drywall repaired."><img src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/img_8364-250x166.jpg" alt="Old cabinets out, Floor cleaned up, drain mysteries solved, and drywall repaired." width="250" height="166" class="attachment wp-att-524" /></a>
<div class="imagecaption">Old cabinets out, Floor cleaned up, drain mysteries solved, and drywall repaired.</div>
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<p>Saturday my plan was to install all the cabinets on the sink side, cut the plywood and cement board, and secure the cement board. Then I could tile on Sunday. Well, it ended up taking about half the day to get the sink cabinet in. I wanted to make it look as nice as possible, so I cut out the hole in the back for the pipes pretty tight, but the heating vent being under the sink meant that we had to tilt the sink cabinet to get it in, which meant that I ended up having to cut the hole larger and larger. I had initially cut the hole in the back in the garage, but as I cut out a little more and more I simply did this in the kitchen. For part of this I used the jigsaw, and for part I used the reciprocating saw. </p>
<div class="imageframe alignleft" style="width:250px;"><a href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/img_8366.jpg" title="I put some great stuff around the pipes where there were still some gaps"><img src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/img_8366-250x166.jpg" alt="I put some great stuff around the pipes where there were still some gaps" width="250" height="166" class="attachment wp-att-526" /></a>
<div class="imagecaption">I put some great stuff around the pipes where there were still some gaps</div>
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<div class="imageframe alignleft" style="width:250px;"><a href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/img_8356.jpg" title="The heating vent under the sink cabinet turned out to be very difficult to work around"><img src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/img_8356-250x166.jpg" alt="The heating vent under the sink cabinet turned out to be very difficult to work around" width="250" height="166" class="attachment wp-att-517" /></a>
<div class="imagecaption">The heating vent under the sink cabinet turned out to be very difficult to work around</div>
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<p>The trickiest part about the heating vent under the sink was with the toekick. I cut out part of the toekick for the vent to go in, but I cut it out so that the edge of the vent would overlap a little, and look nice. Unfortunately though, there was simply no way to get the cabinet in with the toekick attached, and there was no way to get it on afterwards either. I went through about 5 different &#8220;ingenious&#8221; ideas, none of which worked. In the end I ended up taking the vent cover off to get the cabinet in, and then put the vent cover back in afterwards. I had thought that I could then put the screws back into the vent cover by drilling some holes in the bottom of the cabinet, but then later realized that the holes were covered up by the toekick. So the vent cover is now simply sitting there, but it doesn&#8217;t seem to be falling off. That was a frustrating day.</p>
<div class="imageframe alignleft" style="width:250px;"><a href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/img_8371.jpg" title="In order to avoid using a full sheet of plywood for the corner I cut a 3" strip from some scrap for the very end."><img src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/img_8371-250x166.jpg" alt="In order to avoid using a full sheet of plywood for the corner I cut a 3" strip from some scrap for the very end." width="250" height="166" class="attachment wp-att-529" /></a>
<div class="imagecaption">In order to avoid using a full sheet of plywood for the corner I cut a 3&#8243; strip from some scrap for the very end.</div>
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<p>While I was cutting the hole in the back of the sink cabinet bigger bit by bit, I ran into another issue. The outlet under the sink seemed broken! The top half worked, but not the bottom half. I thought that I might have nicked the wire to the outlet under the sink when doing the drywall repair, or maybe it was just a coincidence. At any rate, I called Dave, the electrical expert, and he suggested simply to put in a new one. So I went to Ace and got a new outlet, and figured out how to put it in. There was one hitch. There were 6 wires, and only 5 places to put them. The old outlet had slots in the back for the wires as well as screws on the side. All of the slots were filled, plus the ground, plus one black wire on the side. </p>
<div class="imageframe alignleft" style="width:250px;"><a href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/img_8369.jpg" title="We used the old sink, since we like it and it is in good shape"><img src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/img_8369-250x166.jpg" alt="We used the old sink, since we like it and it is in good shape" width="250" height="166" class="attachment wp-att-528" /></a>
<div class="imagecaption">We used the old sink, since we like it and it is in good shape</div>
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<p>The new outlet only had screws on the side. So I first started by attaching 5 wires. The white wires went on the left side, and one black and one red on the right side, and the ground on the bottom. I turned the breaker back on, and the outlet worked, but as I suspected, the outlet next to it did not, because I had one black wire left over. So then I called Dave again, and he suggested keeping the breaker on, and trying to touch the extra wire to each screw, making sure to not touch any exposed wire. I tried the screw with the black wire first, and that did the trick. So I turned the breaker back off, doubled up the black wires, and we were good to go. </p>
<div class="imageframe alignleft" style="width:250px;"><a href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/img_8368.jpg" title="New cabinets in. Sink fits hole in plywood"><img src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/img_8368-250x166.jpg" alt="New cabinets in. Sink fits hole in plywood" width="250" height="166" class="attachment wp-att-527" /></a>
<div class="imagecaption">New cabinets in. Sink fits hole in plywood</div>
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<p>By the time I got the sink installed it was after 8 p.m. I wanted to cut the plywood, but Clare convinced me to knock off. That was a good idea, since it ended up taking 4 or 5 hours on Sunday to cut the plywood and the cement board. Much of the time was spent on cutting the hole for the sink in the cement board. This involves scoring each side quite deeply, then tapping a hammer around the edges of the hole until it comes out. At some point I started cheating, and was using the reciprocating saw, which worked for awhile, until a part broke off. So then I remembered my past advice to myself about <a href='http://blog.fedibblety.com/archives.php/2008/02/10/dont-take-shortcutsorthe-tile-is-on-the-wall/'>not cutting corners</a> and simply used the hammer tapping method, which is tedious, but it does work. </p>
<div class="imageframe alignleft" style="width:250px;"><a href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/img_8375.jpg" title="Cutting the hole around the sink in the cement board is very tedious"><img src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/img_8375-250x166.jpg" alt="Cutting the hole around the sink in the cement board is very tedious" width="250" height="166" class="attachment wp-att-531" /></a>
<div class="imagecaption">Cutting the hole around the sink in the cement board is very tedious</div>
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<p>After cutting the plywood, and then again after cutting the cement board, I tested putting the sink in the hole to make sure it fit, which it did.</p>
<div class="imageframe alignleft" style="width:250px;"><a href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/img_8376.jpg" title="The cement board cracked in one place by the sink."><img src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/img_8376-250x166.jpg" alt="The cement board cracked in one place by the sink." width="250" height="166" class="attachment wp-att-532" /></a>
<div class="imagecaption">The cement board cracked in one place by the sink.</div>
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<p>Once I had all the cement board cut, then I attached the plywood to the cabinets with wood screws. Then I secured the cement board to the plywood on both sides of the kitchen with thin-set mortar, followed by special hardi-backer screws and roofing nails. I used the screws around the edges, and the nails in the middle. I also taped the joints of the cement board, and put a very thin layer of thin-set on them. My previous attempts at this had always resulted in a bump between the sections of cement board, but this time I finally got it right. After I finished attaching the cement board, Clare and I had lunch at the Yak and Yeti, and then relaxed for a bit. Tiling had now been moved to Monday, which will be documented in part three.</p>
<div class="imageframe alignleft" style="width:250px;"><a href="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/img_8374.jpg" title="Cement board cut. It took me at least an hour just to cut the hole for the sink"><img src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/img_8374-250x166.jpg" alt="Cement board cut. It took me at least an hour just to cut the hole for the sink" width="250" height="166" class="attachment wp-att-530" /></a>
<div class="imagecaption">Cement board cut. It took me at least an hour just to cut the hole for the sink</div>
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			<media:title type="html">The plywood base of the sink cabinet had gotten so wet from plumbing leaks that the plies were completely separated.</media:title>
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			<media:title type="html">The corner cabinet got a bit damaged in shipping</media:title>
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			<media:title type="html">I also used the clamps to put together the face frame of the corner lazy susan cabinet, which was most difficult to assemble</media:title>
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		<description><![CDATA[This past weekend, Rob and Ellen traveled to Denver to help Clare get the Zang house ready for move in. We both arrived Friday night around 8:30. We stopped by the house on the way back to Clare&#8217;s apartment so that Ellen could get a look at it. It was a very comfortable temperature, since [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This past weekend, Rob and Ellen traveled to Denver to help Clare get the Zang house ready for move in. </p>
<p>We both arrived Friday night around 8:30. We stopped by the house on the way back to Clare&#8217;s apartment so that Ellen could get a look at it. It was a very comfortable temperature, since Clare had gotten the new furnace installed on Tuesday. After looking around for awhile and discussing what we wanted to tackle, we headed back to Clare&#8217;s apartment, chatted a bit, then went to bed.<br />
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<p>Saturday we slept in until about 7:45 or so, since Clare and Rob were both kind of sick. After some coffee and breakfast we headed over to the house with our supplies, and got to work. We had several tasks planned:</p>
<ol>
<li> Install stove and dishwasher</li>
<li> Fix plumbing</li>
<li> Change locks</li>
<li> Clean </li>
<li> Paint family room</li>
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<p>We did not end up getting to the last item at all. As it turns out, there were something wrong with every plumbing fixture in the house. Rob tackled the kitchen sink while Ellen worked on the bathrooms. The kitchen sink seemed to be leaking from the supply lines. After turning off the water, Rob re-taped the supply hoses, and then put them back on, and it seemed like they stopped leaking. Meanwhile Ellen snaked out both bathroom sinks, and then put in new traps as the old ones were quite clogged. Clare got to work on the door locks. </p>
<p>As we worked, we kept noticing new things to be done, and by 11:00 a.m. we had a pretty long list of stuff to buy. So Rob and Ellen went to Lowe&#8217;s to acquire stuff. They ended up spending almost 2 hours just at Lowe&#8217;s. On the way back they stopped at Chipotle to get some lunch, which was eaten while sitting on the fireplace, the only seat in the house so far. </p>
<p>While Ellen and Rob had been shopping, the stove had been delivered. After lunch Rob continued to work on the kitchen sink, while Ellen cleaned up the area by the stove, and Clare continued on the locks. Then Ellen and Rob hooked up the new gas stove. It even has a convection oven! (not true convection, with an additional heating element, but some convection nonetheless) Sometime in the afternoon, Rob decided to test the sprayer on the sink. No water came out at all. And shortly after this, it started leaking again. So we were able to get the dishwasher hooked up, but eventually decided to buy a new kitchen faucet. So around 7:00 we made another trip to Lowe&#8217;s, this time all 3 of us. We returned a few items we had not needed from the previous trip, and picked up a new faucet, plus some wood filler (for the lock project) and a few other miscellaneous items. </p>
<p>After the second Lowe&#8217;s trip, Clare ordered pizza and went to pick it up while Ellen and Rob installed the new faucet. It only took about 20 minutes to install, and there were no leaks. And best of all, we got  a nice Moen faucet that has a sprayer built into the spigot for almost half off. We can&#8217;t resist a good deal.</p>
<p>We took the pizza back to Clare&#8217;s apartment, and enjoyed it with some PBR. There&#8217;s nothing like PBR after a hard day&#8217;s work.</p>
<p>Sunday morning we woke up about the same time, and left the apartment right about 9:00 to pick up the U-Haul that Clare had rented to move her stuff from the apartment to the house. Clare got the U-Haul while Rob dropped Ellen off at the house so she could do some more cleaning there while Rob was helping Clare move. </p>
<p>Rob helped Clare pack things up until about 10:00, when her friend Nick and his friend Nate came over to help move. Within about an hour, we had packed up the truck with the couch, tables, bed, and other big items, most of which Clare had bought from Craigslist in May. By about 11:45 we had unloaded everything in the house, and went across the street to the Thai restaurant for lunch. We are happy to be in a location where we can walk to 2 different grocery stores, our bank, and several good restaurants (Chipotle, Thai, and Middle Eastern).</p>
<p>After lunch, Nick and Nate took off, and we got back to work. Clare and Rob (especially Rob) had been pondering what sort of ladder to buy for painting. They had almost decided on a multi-purpose ladder, which could be used as an extension ladder and a step ladder, but Rob had misgivings about the fact that it didn&#8217;t have a paint tray, and that it didn&#8217;t seem comfortable to stand on for long periods of time. However, they couldn&#8217;t fit a big ladder in their car. Ellen and Rob almost bought a car-top carrier on Saturday to bring a ladder home, but Lowe&#8217;s didn&#8217;t sell any. Finally Saturday night it dawned on us that we could use the U-Haul! So after lunch Clare and Rob went to Lowe&#8217;s again, this time in the U-Haul. We bought both a 24 foot extension ladder and an 8 foot step ladder. Hopefully that should be tall enough for our cathedral ceiling family room. We also bought a new exterior door for the side of the garage, since the previous tenants had a really cheap door there that didn&#8217;t seal well at all, and was probably intended to be an interior door.</p>
<p>After taking back the truck, Rob cleaned out the gutters, which were absolutely stuffed. Next year we will have to get new gutters and fascia for the house. While Rob worked on the gutters, Ellen worked on putting in new valves in the bathtub and shower, both of which were leaking, and Clare worked on getting herself situated in her temporary living space. We set up her bed in the dining room, since we haven&#8217;t gotten the carpet replaced yet. That should happen in the next 2 weeks sometime. Clare also worked on hanging blinds in the living room / dining room / temporary bedroom. </p>
<p>After much fiddling around by both Ellen and Rob with the bathtub and shower plumbing, it was starting to look like we were not going to get it to stop leaking, but finally Rob discovered that it was simply that the new valves needed to be tightened themselves. So by the end of Sunday we had finally figured out all the plumbing problems, and we were able to shower in the morning before Clare took Ellen and Rob to the airport. All in all, it was a very productive weekend. We are looking forward to the second weekend, during which we hope to get the painting done.<br />

<a href='http://blog.fedibblety.com/2008/10/going-against-the-flow-or-zang-work-weekend-1/img_8004/' title='img_8004'><img width="150" height="150" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/img_8004-150x150.jpg" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="Ellen cleaned the grease out of the cabinet above the stove" title="img_8004" /></a>
<a href='http://blog.fedibblety.com/2008/10/going-against-the-flow-or-zang-work-weekend-1/img_8005/' title='img_8005'><img width="150" height="150" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/img_8005-150x150.jpg" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="Clare works on sweeping the kitchen" title="img_8005" /></a>
<a href='http://blog.fedibblety.com/2008/10/going-against-the-flow-or-zang-work-weekend-1/img_8006/' title='img_8006'><img width="150" height="150" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/img_8006-150x150.jpg" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="The new stove is successfully installed. It only took about 20 minutes or so" title="img_8006" /></a>
<a href='http://blog.fedibblety.com/2008/10/going-against-the-flow-or-zang-work-weekend-1/img_8007/' title='img_8007'><img width="150" height="150" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/img_8007-150x150.jpg" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="The new stove" title="img_8007" /></a>
<a href='http://blog.fedibblety.com/2008/10/going-against-the-flow-or-zang-work-weekend-1/img_8008/' title='img_8008'><img width="150" height="150" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/img_8008-150x150.jpg" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="The new dishwasher. It also was not very hard to install, once we had stopped the leaks in the kitchen sink" title="img_8008" /></a>
<a href='http://blog.fedibblety.com/2008/10/going-against-the-flow-or-zang-work-weekend-1/img_8009/' title='img_8009'><img width="150" height="150" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/img_8009-150x150.jpg" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="Rob spent quite a few hours under the kitchen sink on Saturday" title="img_8009" /></a>
<a href='http://blog.fedibblety.com/2008/10/going-against-the-flow-or-zang-work-weekend-1/img_8011/' title='img_8011'><img width="150" height="150" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/img_8011-150x150.jpg" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="One stained replacement spindle for the stairway" title="img_8011" /></a>
<a href='http://blog.fedibblety.com/2008/10/going-against-the-flow-or-zang-work-weekend-1/img_8012/' title='img_8012'><img width="150" height="150" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/img_8012-150x150.jpg" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="Once we had acquired a ladder, Rob cleaned out the filthy gutters." title="img_8012" /></a>
<a href='http://blog.fedibblety.com/2008/10/going-against-the-flow-or-zang-work-weekend-1/img_8015/' title='img_8015'><img width="150" height="150" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/img_8015-150x150.jpg" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="The gutters were extremely clogged" title="img_8015" /></a>
<a href='http://blog.fedibblety.com/2008/10/going-against-the-flow-or-zang-work-weekend-1/img_8016/' title='img_8016'><img width="150" height="150" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/img_8016-150x150.jpg" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="The debris in the gutters had actually started to decompose into some very nice compost" title="img_8016" /></a>
<a href='http://blog.fedibblety.com/2008/10/going-against-the-flow-or-zang-work-weekend-1/img_8019/' title='img_8019'><img width="150" height="150" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/img_8019-150x150.jpg" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="The new kitchen faucet. We got it on clearance of course" title="img_8019" /></a>
<a href='http://blog.fedibblety.com/2008/10/going-against-the-flow-or-zang-work-weekend-1/img_8020/' title='img_8020'><img width="150" height="150" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/img_8020-150x150.jpg" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="The new faucet is fancy. You can use it as a sprayer" title="img_8020" /></a>
<a href='http://blog.fedibblety.com/2008/10/going-against-the-flow-or-zang-work-weekend-1/img_8022/' title='img_8022'><img width="150" height="150" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/img_8022-150x150.jpg" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="Ellen working in the kitchen" title="img_8022" /></a>
<a href='http://blog.fedibblety.com/2008/10/going-against-the-flow-or-zang-work-weekend-1/img_8025/' title='img_8025'><img width="150" height="150" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/img_8025-150x150.jpg" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="The temporary setup in the front room" title="img_8025" /></a>
<a href='http://blog.fedibblety.com/2008/10/going-against-the-flow-or-zang-work-weekend-1/img_8026/' title='img_8026'><img width="150" height="150" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/img_8026-150x150.jpg" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="Clare&#039;s temporary bedroom in the dining room" title="img_8026" /></a>
<a href='http://blog.fedibblety.com/2008/10/going-against-the-flow-or-zang-work-weekend-1/img_8027/' title='img_8027'><img width="150" height="150" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/img_8027-150x150.jpg" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="Clare made her own bed. (Now she&#039;ll have to lie in it)" title="img_8027" /></a>
<a href='http://blog.fedibblety.com/2008/10/going-against-the-flow-or-zang-work-weekend-1/img_8029/' title='img_8029'><img width="150" height="150" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/img_8029-150x150.jpg" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="Ellen relaxes Sunday night after a hard weekend of work" title="img_8029" /></a>
<a href='http://blog.fedibblety.com/2008/10/going-against-the-flow-or-zang-work-weekend-1/img_8031/' title='img_8031'><img width="150" height="150" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/img_8031-150x150.jpg" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="Clare and Rob are happy to be together" title="img_8031" /></a>
<a href='http://blog.fedibblety.com/2008/10/going-against-the-flow-or-zang-work-weekend-1/img_8032/' title='img_8032'><img width="150" height="150" src="http://blog.fedibblety.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/img_8032-150x150.jpg" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="New folding blinds. We got these on clearance too." title="img_8032" /></a>
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		<title>Spigot OR Faucet</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 01:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>robfelty</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tee valve The bathroom is still a work in progress, getting closer to completion all the time. A week or so ago I set out to put up the last piece of drywall. This was possible once the washer faucets had been turned into the utility room, but there was one last project I wanted [...]]]></description>
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<p>The bathroom is still a work in progress, getting closer to completion all the time. A week or so ago I set out to put up the last piece of drywall. This was possible once the washer faucets had been turned into the utility room, but there was one last project I wanted to complete. Our house did not have a spigot outside. I don&#8217;t find the need for water outside that often, but occasionally I do. Last summer I simply ran a hose through the window. But this required opening the window, and potentially letting in insects. I asked Dave and Ellen at some point why they didn&#8217;t have a spigot, and as always, they had a very sensible answer: they had a spigot on the cabin, and had problems with the pipe freezing. I had a solution  to this though. I would have a shutoff inside the house, so I could shut off the water in the winter. </p>
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<p>In fact, I decided to use the same shutoff I had been using last year. I had been hooking up the hose to the cold water faucet to the washer, which required disconnecting the washer hose. I had gotten tired of this, so I bought a Y-joint. I decided to simply run a hose from this Y through the wall and to the outside. Like most of my projects, it started with a trip to Pell&#8217;s hardware store. I got a 5&#8242; washer hose (a steel reinforced one so it should last quite a long time). I also bought a 1 1/2&#8243; wood drill bit to drill holes in the studs so I could run the hose through the wall. I decided to put the spigot right above the dryer vent, since there was already an additional board there. So I simply drilled a hole through the wood there, and then started feeding the hose through the wall. I then drilled holes in the studs to pass the hose through there as well.</p>
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<p>Once I had the hose all hooked up (it was just long enough), I turned the water on and gave it a try. It seemed to work fine, so I finished by driving a couple screws into the wood in the notches in the faucet. Unfortunately, it was leaking, but I didn&#8217;t realize this until two days later. As it turns out, you can already see in the photo of the spigot that the wood looks wet. When I went to use the hose several days later, it was quite wet. Of course I discovered this right before going to bed, so I had all night to worry about it. The next morning I checked it and it was getting worse. I feared that I might have punctured the hose somehow. So I unscrewed the spigot from the wood, and checked the connections. It turns out that I had simply not tightened the connections enough. I had used 1 wrench, but not 2. I got them nice and tight, and let it sit for several hours. After waiting awhile it seemed that the wood block was drying out, so I drilled in some new screws in new holes. I can&#8217;t believe that I went so long without a spigot!</p>
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